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28 May 2012

FIRST ACTIONS BY BOB MANNING COUNCIL - NO CONSULTATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS, IGNORE THE FACTS, FLUSH $20M OF RATEPAYER MONEY DOWN THE DUNNY?

The new Cairns Regional Council, led by Bob "Screwdriver" Manning, holds its first meeting this Wednesday with the requirement that some reasoned and considered action be taken by the Unity Team on this project.  A project needed by the community for at least 15 years.


Council staff have prepared and extensive evaluation of the situation.  The public can READ IT HERE.  It outlines the long history of the project, the extensive consultation done by Mayor Schier (on top of consultations done by mayor-loser Kevin "Hiding from the Pakis" Byrne).  The Byrne council rejected rehab of the existing building, and rejected use of Munro Martin Park as inadequate.  Additionally the Schier consultation rejected the Hartley street site as too small, hemmed in by the Capital Globe project (still a likely project given the stupidly dense Byrne council approval attached to it), as well as noise problems from industrial use and rail lines in the vicinity.


Additionally, this project is needed to be synergistic with the Convention Centre.  This leaves only two possible sites, the current planned location, and part of the existing Ports North office building site.  Ports North have shown no interest in investing another $20M in a new building, in an unknown location, to make way for a theater on what they have earmarked as a needed hotel accommodation site for the Convention Centre.  Lack of a dedicated, attached convention hotel is a serious shortcoming to our longterm success at the Centre.




So now we have Bob Manning planning to take some action (move forward, consult and evaluate, or pull the plug) WITHOUT any community consultation with the stakeholders!  It's quite clear the voters DID NOT REJECT the existing plan.  The three biggest EP Precinct supporters (Pyne, Leu, and Cooper) were targeted by election campaigns focused on the precinct, and they WON ANYWAY.  There is no "mandate" to kill off the project.


And it's quite clear to everyone that the evidence is overwhelming that the waterfront location, approved UNANIMOUSLY by the Schier council, in no way damages the future of the port.  Despite a huge campaign of misinformation.


How can our new mayor who campaigned under the banner "more consultation with the public" take any actions on this important project WITHOUT CONSULTATION??  I would guess the hundreds who attended the project consultations previously, and provided valuable community input into the requirements and design, would have similar views with any future project.  We know what we need - so where does that leave us?


Starting from scratch requires payoff of existing contracts, and the expenditure of another $7M to get the project back to this point on some new, less desirable site - letting of contracts.  So we start a new project with $15-$20M of dead, lost forever ratepayer money on this 30% completed project (Page 467).  The new LNP "Can't Do" government will pull their $57M commitment, something they can't do on the approved site.  With new money unlikely.  The Feds, who've said they're still committed, won't put $40M in without the state kick-in, so bye-bye to this money.


And ANY new theater will cost $100M minimum to build.  The Byrne council estimated $80-$90 million in 2007.  It's 2012, and 2014 before any contracts could possibly be let on a new location.  $100M, easy-peasy.   ALL Cairns ratepayer money, not just $57M that the previous council was able to swing.  With the jobs generated not NOW, when we need the boost but 2-3 years from now.  MINIMUM.


As only a fraction of the community indicated anger to the Schier-council plans, the rational and cost-effective choice for the Manning council is to move forward with those plans.  Sure, you can "trim away" at the fat and look like you're being fiscally responsible.  But to use spite to kill off this project at this stage is about the most ratepayer-unfriendly decision the new council could ever make.  


So what's running this council?  Common sense and good financial acumen?  Or spiteful ignorance?  Rubber stamps taking the easy road?  Or people genuinely doing the best, even when it's hard?


On Wednesday, we'll know.  Won't we?


UPDATE:

APPARENTLY IN AN ATTEMPT TO STIFLE DISSENT, BOB MANNING HAS ORDERED THIS AGENDA ITEM MOVED FROM #24 TO #1, AT 10:00 AM.


47 comments:

Tony Hillier said...

Cairns will be the butt of jokes throughout Queensland when the new Council, at its inaugural meeting on Wednesday, plumps for options 2 or 3 (more likely the latter), even if the economic illogicality of rejecting option 1 (i.e. continuation of the CEP project in line with existing Council decision) has dawned on the new mayor and freshman councillors.

Dean said...

It's an interesting read. The best part is the statement about the inability to find a suitable location for the price of the Ports North Lease ($10.00 per annum). When you add the cost of a new site to the project, it would be blown out of the water.

The choice has become clear, although it wasn't put down as an option on the report. It should have been 3 options. Vote to continue, vote to postpone decision, vote to have no replacement theatre. It's clear from the report that an alternative site is not possible in reality in the next 4 years.

Hopefully Pyne, Leu and Cooper have been in the ear of some of the new Councillors and got some support. Imagine the look on Manning's face if 5 of them voted in favour of the officer recommendation! One can dream, can't they?

Anonymous said...

Entsch has announced a while ago that Cairns needs to built a "boutique hotel" on the Port Authority site (to cater for visitors to the Convention Centre), so it seems that some sort of deal is already in the making...

Tony Hillier said...

In the very unlikely event of option 3 being carried by a majority of councillors on Wednesday, 'ol Screwdriver's authority would be seriously undermined (given his vehement anti waterfront CEP stance). But his position would by no means be untenable. 'Ol Cueball, on the other hand, would explode with rage and his entrails would be draped all over the nice, clean 4CA studio. Dream on ....

Mz. Elly-May Clambutt said...

For chrissakes, it is only about maximising the profits or viability of a certain "business" interest, like building a theatre on land sold by the business, adjacent to a "boutique hotel" owned by the particular "business".
We are going to see one of the greatest scams ever perpetuated on the people of Cairns on Wednesday. Never forget, the media will back this decision to the hilt, trumpeting it as the "best decision" for everyone.

jim-bob bogan snr. said...

"---Cueball explode with rage"???
Dream on Tony old chinaplate. Manning walks on water as far as Cueball is concerned. As for any of the Unity Councillors opposing whatever Manning/Byrne come up with, thats an even bigger joke.

Mr Grumpy said...

Tony Hillier is always the first to comment using his own name and then throws in another 4 or 5 each time using the same slander and abuse under anonymous. Such a loser.

Mz. Elly-May Clambutt said...

Mr Grumpy, I assure you I am NOT Tony H. and I happen to know jim-bob Snr. isn't either. So take that and stick it up your woolly woozer.

Tony Hillier said...

Mr Grumpy, unlike you, I ONLY comment under my own name!

ruby red dress said...

Mr Grumpy, I also am not Tony Hillier, whom I have only ever met socially just once. However, I don't know who most of the people posting in here are aside from Mz. Elly-May. As for "slander and abuse", do you believe some people should be continuously slandered and pilloried like our former Mayor while others receive only adulation and praise? Is that what you are all about? Maybe you might be much happier migrating to North Korea if that is what you want.

Liz said...

Well at least we shall see tomorrow if the newly elected Councillors are going to be mere hacks who follow whatever command is dictated to them by Manning/Byrne. I take the view raised previously by both Abner Dogpatch and jim-bob Snr. that most of these Councillors are opportunists who took advantage of a huge hate tsunami against the previous Mayor and Council which was deliberately engineered by Mackenzie and King in tandem. They had an easy and effortless ride into Council. However, I wouldn't dismiss them all as mere puppets so easily. I think it only reasonable to give them a chance to prove themselves.

Tony Hillier said...

Although the CEP is the last item on the agenda at tomorrow's Council meeting (opens 10am), my information is that it shouldn't take too long to clear most of the preceding items. It would be great if as many pro-CEPers attend as can spare the time — if only to show the new councillors that they will be under some kind of scrutiny!

Inside Council said...

As a council staff member, I can report there is widespread support for the approved CEP among staff at all levels. And while staff are continually abused by some in the media and the public as "not representing the majority", staff ARE among the majority and are ratepayers, parents, and citizens all.

Given the monitoring of our computers at chambers I'm writing this outside during the lunch hour.

Staff know that what has been said here is a completely accurate representation of the facts as they exist. Mayor Manning essentially told councillors at their swearing in ceremony that they should "do the right thing" and not be bound to teams or other cliques. Staff take him at his word, and cannot see honestly how any of them could vote to cancel the CEP expecting something better, or even equal, to turn up. It's the result of huge effort by all, and to just dustbin it for politics would start this new council with much of staff antagonistic towards them. How can we make any recommendations if they're not going to follow them? We're professionals all.

Anonymous said...

Wankers the fucken lot of ya. Its like you all know whats right for Cairns, and i bet you all have been here five minutes. hahhaa

Anonymous said...

Isn't it amazing -here we have a series of rational intelligent comments and then some imbecile drops in with illiterate garbage. Our thanks to the Council insider -we appreciate your feedback which you provide at no small risk to your job security -keep us informed please, we need to know what is happening from your "insiders" point of view. I hope to be at the meeting tomorrow and await the outcome with great interest.

Anonymous said...

I will predict the outcome will be that the entire issue will be subject to further procrastination, like four full years.

Anonymous said...

I am certain that the Project will prevail as only Thomas was said no and he faired badly in the mayoral race. Bob Mannng is a single term mayor, on account if his age, but also not that stupid, so expect a positive result tomorrow. Cueball will be foaming at the mouth, but this will also signify his demise at 4CA.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 16:00, I have been in this city for over 20 years and it is illiterate wankers like you that make me despair for the future of this place. Cairns is an unique place and we should come up with our own solutions, not just be a backward redneck town.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 19.19 one can only live in hope but we will see. There are a lot of fools like anonymous 16.00 who probably came up on the same train as frenzie mackenzie from Ispwich or wherever more likely to the betterment of that place

Anonymous said...

Both libs and labor listen to the bureaucrats st such times, so sanity will prevail tomorrow and Cueball will be on sick leave on Thursday and Friday.

Jethro Bogan said...

Exoect a "positive result" tmorrow? Hey, wasn't it Manning who raved and ranted ad infinitum that the piece of land the Precinct was to be built on was of "critical" importance to the future of Ports activities in Cairns? I seem to recall hearing him repeat that ad nasueum on rugnut's shit program. So if he goes ahead and approves the Schier model, then Manning has proven himself a lying dickhead to the people of Cairns.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to add my thanks to the "Inside Council" poster. All too often Council staff are ignored or denigrated when they are doing their job diligently and competently. I hope all the hard work put into the CEP project by the same staff and progressively minded Councillors Pyne, Cooper and Leu sees the project proceed. If not, Cairns seems doomed to remain under the influence of knuckle-dragging morons like the illiterate who posted here at 16.00

Abner T. Dogpatch said...

Seems to me as if Manning is in a quandary of his own making. If he cans the project, he will have lost so many millions of ratepayers monies, and will have to find the money to build a new performing arts theatre. However if he goes ahead with the current proposal, he would have made himself out to be a first class liar, raving about the crucial importance of the piece of land for future Ports expansion. My guess is he will procrastinate and dither and stall it again.

Dean said...

Don't get your hopes up. Terry James, who's really running the show, has been completely against the project and at their first vote, nobody's going to break ranks. They're going to vote for the relocation option which will make them look like dills 6-12 months down the track when they realise they can't afford it and there's no federal or state funding. The project will then disappear into the wilderness along with $8 million wasted by this Council, not the last one.
Pyne, Leu and Cooper should make strong statements for the precinct, but only for posterity's sake. Or when Pyne/Cooper runs for Mayor next election after Manning is proved ineffectual this term.

k. nevill said...

by the time this is posted the vote will be done and dusted. I am hoping the business community have been lobbying like hell to get this project over the line. the attached report would make even some of the doubters think again....if they ever read it. Thanks hillbilly for providing this info, keep up the good work!

Tony Hillier said...

The puppet masters have worked the strings and the Unity team has dutifully danced. The shape of things to come ... yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir ... as Cairns steps back to the future.

Anonymous said...

I recall that someone on this page suggested that Richie Bates was possibly the cleverest politician in Australia and probably the only Labor politician to be elected anywhere in the current climate. I am sure he had a plan and this morning's Council vote proves just that -well done Richie you haven't let us down!

local resident born and raised said...

it's been lost. a very very very sad day for cairns. Bob Manning and the Unity knuckle draggers should be ashamed.

Anonymous said...

What a disgrace! The meeting this morning was nothing but a puppet strings affair with boring Bob pulling the strings. Julie Leu spoke strongly and had all the facts, Cooper and Pyne also made a lot of sense. Bates has proven how much a turncoat he can be and lost a chance to move a motion by giving it to James. My candidate assured me that she/he would vote as an independent, but it was blatant that this would not be allowed. This city has started to go back to the basics at a huge cost to ratepayers and the loss of many jobs connected with the C.E.P. The crowd in the gallery cried "shame" and for the benefit of this city this decision surely is.

Anonymous said...

Did Richie vote for or against

Anonymous said...

my knuckles are so sore from draging them, so i can fuck you coffee sucking morons right up, and hope you all fuck off out of town. haahha

Anonymous said...

As I heard it on 4ca this morning -Richie voted with Leu. Cooper and Pyne -making the vote 4 - 6.

Anonymous said...

Richie broke ranks and voted for - well done Richie

Anonymous said...

Richie Bates voted for the Precinct to go ahead. Voting for, were Pyne, Cooper, Leu and Bates.

Jethro Bogan said...

Yes, well done Mr Bates! It does not surprise me that the rest of the Unity Team voted unanimously. Several of them are blow=ins to Cairns having only been here a few years. They wouldn't have a clue as to the shady machinations of the Byrne Council, they wouldn't have a clue as to the business scandals of the city, they will all do as they are told. ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL.

Anonymous said...

what a wanker. Stands for the unity team then breaks unity. What a wanker!

Anonymous said...

Go Richie ! 6-4, hardly an overwhelming majority...interesting times ahead.

"Col" on 4CA today was talking about a supporter of the CEP who wouldn't stop "wailing" about it, until someone told " the bitch to shut up! "

McKenzie allowed this comment to pass and even gigglingly endorsed it.

Fancy if someone told "Pearl" to shut the fuck up on air...

She had a little whinge in the CP the other day about people saying nasty things about her " on the internet".

Well, Pearl you got what you wanted, so please shut the fuck up about it, especially since you haven't got anything to say about anything else.

Anonymous said...

Hillbilly! Hot tip .... LNP have sacked Ken Chapman the Chair of Ports North Board.

Prefer if you used this as a lead than publish it as a comment.

Anonymous said...

Pearl,her leader the pillow biter and the usual suspects need to remember one thing. They have the LNP,4CA,Alan Jones and the Australian media at their disposal to destroy reputations and careers. True believers and people a little better educated,those with vision and who think there is more to life than tinnies,football and beer only have blogs like this to express their views so stick to those venues mentioned,I'm sure they wait on your every utterance with baited breath and start a campaign if you are so bored to give the CEP money to Townsville to prop up their V8 event.

Dean said...

It's clear from Bob Manning's comments that he has no idea what he's doing and is quickly realising it. This grovelling to State and Federal govts for money is going to make him look foolish, which he will not like one bit, he's more egotist than anything. The only way they can get state money is if they stick to existing contracts. The State will be trying to get out of it, so if Manning gives them a chance(change of project), they'll take it. The Feds have been trying to give the money to up here for years and if the state LNP govt takes the money back, it's the ALP that will look like the ones who actually care about Cairns. King, Manning and Trout will look like the fools and lackeys they are.

What odds will you give me that after Manning's meeting with Crisafulli he tries to push ahead with the existing plans? It's the only sensible course of action. At 4-6, only one Unity member needs to break ranks. They're now realising their 'alternative site' proposal is unachievable and Manning promised to build one this term. The only way he can build a replacement theatre is to build the exisitng proposal. It's either that, or build nothing and hand back $100 million. What's more important to him, his pledge not to build Val's plan, or his pledge to build something(anything). Either way, it's going to taint his mayoralty. The only way he gets out of looking like a fool is to cut the ribbon at the new CEP in his last two years in office.

Spangled Lady said...

Slightly off topic but in today's CP I read with great alarm that funding for elective surgery at Cairns Base will not be renewed after June30! So it is OK for Cando to spend gazillians on a building in the Brisbane CBD but there is nothing left in the pot for FNQ patients awaiting elective surgery -I am speechless!

Tony Hillier said...

Latest 'Anonymous', please note that if the Cairns Post and local petrol heads have their way, the funding will be redirected from Toms ville to Kens, so we can stage our very own V8 event. Vroom, vroom. The chequered flag has already dropped. The Compost has started to rev up its campaign. I allude to today's page 3 beat up, an obviously engineered lead letter and an obsequious editorial. The odds are that Mayor Screwdriver and his flock of sheep and their LNP overlords will come to the party. Vroom, vroom. Bye bye culture ... bring on the cars. Vroom, vroom.

Anonymous said...

Hillbilly, is there a point in publishing this idiot's comments? I thought this blog (in fact anything) would be above the Cairns Post comment policy standards. Is it really the best that is on offer for comment 'balance'?

JOHN MACKENZIE'S HILLBILLY WATCH said...

Last Anonymous,

You wouldn't believe the raft of nonsensical, abusive, and malcontented comments that the blog receives. On some of these issues it's a veritable flood. Sometimes we just have to let one "slip thru", if only to give the hillbillies hope that someday they will produce a comment literate enough to be published by HBW.

Dean said...

In the time I've been reading this blog, I'm yet to see one coherent argument put forward by those opposed to the views of the blog author. Mostly it's bile and filthy language, which really only confirms people's thoughts.

Read Terry James' quote in the Post today. He's clearly leaving the door open to continuing the current CEP project. They've realised the State's going to stiff them (like they've stiffed the hospital) and they might actually stand up for themselves. It's all Mr James, Manning is just the masthead, James pulls the strings.

Anonymous said...

Hang in there HBW! You've become what appears to be the only bulwark between the informed and the illiterati whose obnoxious views and disgusting language contaminate reasonable discourse.

Anonymous said...

Wonder if James lost money as well when Capital Globe went down?