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13 June 2012

WHINGER CALLS MEMBER FOR MACKENZIE TO COMPLAIN THAT HARD WORKING MOTIVATED SHOPS ARE STEALING HIS BUSINESS - WHILE GAVIN KING PREPARES TO DROP BOMBSHELL ON TOURIST MARKET

Gavin "Don't Rape Me" King came into 4CA today to defend himself from his own party's attacks on his loss of over $135M in state funding.  Explanations that are ringing hollow for the public on all sides of the political equation.


Then a so-called merchant in the CBD called in to complain that a tour shop on the Esplanade has sent young female staff to greet the cruise ships - staff who are providing apparently a smiling welcome, maps of the CBD, and of course directions to THEIR tour desk.  "UNFAIR!" this merchant bellowed.  "They're sending the cruise visitors to another shop".  "Gavin, you've got to stop them!"  Yup, the free market is alive and well in Cairns.  Perhaps the reason we're still copping $1.50/ltr for petrol while Brisbane residents are paying $1.33 or less.  

The big surprise that Gavin hasn't yet shared with the Cairns community are the plans our new LNP masters have for our harbour dredging.  Minister Andrew Cripps has already passed the draft plans thru cabinet, and we understand has briefed new Ports North chief Brett Moller, with details of the draft leaked to Cairns Regional Council staff.  Come'on kids, you can't keep secrets in a town this small!  


Along with a dredging programme to deepen the channel and increase the swing (turning) basin, Cairns will be the first cruise ship port in Queensland to levy the new $30 per passenger disembarkation charge! 


This charge has been the brainchild of Liberal NSW Minister for Ports, Duncan Gay, who has imposed the tax on passengers at Sydney Harbour without any industry consultations.  To help NSW balance their books, says he.  With Queensland already under a microscope for the dredging of harbours at Gladstone and Brisbane, Can-do Newman has apparently decided that Cairns will need to be the first to collect this new tax on our growing visitor pool.


This will be on top of the Federal Labor Party's 17% increase in the Passenger Movement Charge which is currently loaded into the passenger's overall ticket price.  Cruise ship companies however will likely make disembarking passengers pay the $30 head tax when they get off in our new, deeper Cairns Port.


Merchant leaders like Brett Moller have been complaining bitterly that no one has organised a proper welcome for our visiting cruise ships.  We're now getting a "Pay Toll, $30" gate at the end of the gangplank.  This what you were looking for, Brett?

60 comments:

ruby red dress said...

What on earth happened to the Environmental Report into Dredging the Cairns Inlet commissioned by the Bligh Government and which was supposed to be released in March of this year? Why hasn't this been made public? Has it been deliberately squashed? Has it been given to someone to re-write in terms that would deceive environmentalists? How can we RESPONSIBLY even think of dredging the Cairns Inlet without a full environmental impact study?

Ed in Edge Hill said...

Are you fucking kidding me? About the worst news for Cairns ever.

Anonymous said...

Well, Newman did say he would leave us "$40 million for dredging" when he took away the rest of the funding. So the cruise ships are gonna "save" Cairns are they?

ECKERS said...

$30.00 is pretty stiff just to get off a boat.

jim-bob snr. said...

Indeed, ruby, where is that mysterious report? I did hear a rumour back in March that it was in fact with the Ports Authority. Was it deliberately held over, pending the results of the election? And once the election brought in the LNP and Gavin King, was it conveniently shredded somewhere? Its absence is clearly suspicious.

Jethro Bogan said...

I guess we were all supposed to just forget about the report, because someone wanted dredging by hook or by crook (more by crook I suspect). So, we're just going to up and dredge without any regard whatsoever for damage to the reef, or the Trinity Inlet or reforming the infamous Cairns mudflats? Well, wholescale dredging won't come back to shore in the form of black sticky stinking sludge for a few years, by which time Manning would have pissed off, King voted out of office and pissed off back to NSW and Entsch retired and pissed off to the Gold Coast. So, for starters, the problem of mudflats will belong to someone else. All the screaming, screeching residents at Machans Beach through to Palm Cove can take their complaints to whoever is in office at that time.

Tony Hillier said...

Will increasing the swing basin result in the destruction of more mangroves, one asks with a sense of trepidation? And can dredging be justified when it will only facilitate a handful of extra cruise liners (the big boats will still have to moor off Yorkeys Knob!). Those who were here when the inlet was regularly dredged in the '80s will recall the large deposits of mud that washed up on the northern beaches. This right-wing government seems intent on dragging us back to the dark ages!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if they realise the full gravity of the situation of recommencing wholescale dredging without an environmental report? Why the urgency? Who is driving this? Where is that Report? Can we afford an environmental disaster?

Mz Elly-May Clambutt said...

Tony, Gavin King and a good proportion of Cairns people do not remember the old Cairns mudflats. King arrived here well after the Esplanade Re-development funded by the Beattie State Government. He, and many of the current Councillors would have no idea of what Cairns and the Northern beaches looked like.

Whale Oil Beef Hooked! said...

$30 bucks sounds good to me.

I would not want to make the long sea sick journey over very rough seas to Yorkeys where I then get ripped $100 bucks plus for a taxi to take me into town and back.
User pays dredging is the only way to go.
Save the rates/tax payers from more pain.
Smart move Can-Do!

Whale Oil Beef Hooked!

Anonymous said...

Love to see how you would park the Queen Mary in Cairns Port Whale I'll Be Fuckwit. Excavate half of Yarrabah Range as well? You have to wonder how these people write and breathe at the same time? And how the hell can it be user pay dollars for the dredging when it is public money that could have been for far more beneficial projects for Cairns?

Anonymous said...

All I can say is, what a short sighted solution to the cruise ship problem. A solution which will not only be obsolete probably within ten years as cruise ships are getting bigger and bigger, but which will undoubtedly cause environmental problems.

ruby said...

Gosh, I was remembering one day in the 1970s when two ships collided in Trinity Inlet. I was working in Spence Street, and the entire building shook. The fellow from Lloyds Shipping came rushing in to announce to everyone, "Two ships have collided! I have to get down there fast." I don't know how many accidents occurred there because the swing basin was so narrow, but I do remember that one incident vividly.

Anonymous said...

Thank Christ I don't live near one of the beaches. I couldnt put up with the stink of that black sludge day in day out.

Dean said...

How much would a permanent structure somewhere in deeper water where people can transfer from giant cruise ship to a smaller ferry cost?

Dredging is not only short-sighted, it's uncosted and unenvironmentally sound. I remember the smell of the old mudflats wafting across the city and it still stains my memory. I was visiting and the first thing I asked when I got off the plane was why it smelt so bad and was told it was because of the mudflats from dredging the inlet.

It's one of the main things I remembered about Cairns. Do we want that to be the case again?

I only moved here permanently in the last couple of years, the place seems a lot better now than the times I visited as a student.

ruby red dress said...

Dean, around 80% of people now living in Cairns or the Northern Beaches wouldn't remember the stench which hung over Cairns and the beaches prior to the cessation of major dredging operations back in the 1980s. It just isn't within their memory base. If dredging recommences this year, it would take a few years, I imagine, before all that black, stinking sludge washes up again on the Cairns Esplanade and Northern Beaches. So by then, Manning would have resigned, Entsch resigned, and King probably defeated by Lesina. King would most likely takeover rugnut's spot on 4CA and would use the growing mudflats to hammer Lesina, viz: "What's she doing about it?"
We are going round again in a huge circle, as seems to be the habit here in Cairns.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the benefit is for Brisbane more than Cairns as does not add up. Cairns has only small cruise ship industry and the increase to our economy will be easily negated by the $30 charge. $30 less on tours and shopping, may result in same numbers choosing to stay on board, especially given they usually come in wet season anyway. What is the incentive to get off the ship? Watch the ugly port operations Manning wants? Perhaps the cruise ship industry is worth more to Brisbane and to Ports coffers and not to the local economy. I feel so used.

Anonymous said...

you airheads talk shit and wouldn't have a clue, thank fuck i don't live next to you arseholes.hhaahha

Anonymous said...

I heard a figure of $100m for dredging that is in the prelim report- anyone else heard this?

Dean said...

It would be funny if it wasn't so despairing. I take solace in the fact that over 20% of young voters don't align themselves with either of the two major parties and that in future generations, knowledge will overcome screaming matches for political debate.

Perhaps I'm naive and later generations will be worse, but I honestly don't see how.

I just don't understand how some people come to the conclusions they do, except that they must be being paid for it. I refuse to believe people who can hold down a job can be that stupid that they believe all of the stuff they bellow.

It's got to the point where anybody with a professorship is decried as a leftist, while anyone who runs a business must be a genius. The main problem with Cairns is the amount of business owners and managers who made easy money during the boom and are now being found out for the morons they are when times get a little tough. But instead of acknowledging they have no business training and need to upskill, they pointed the finger at all levels of government. Now govt has changed and they're still struggling. Soon the realisation will hit them.....

CC from Kewarra Beach said...

I've lived at Kewarra Beach since about 1990 and I remember in the first couple of years what the beach was like. We couldn't swim because of all the mud. One day I waded in and sunk up to my knees in mud. Wait until all those millionaires on Kewarra Street realise that there backyards are full of stinking mud, courtesy of the LNP..........

Anonymous said...

What a pity this will not happen to McKenzie even after the racist comments that he allowed to be aired on his program by Martin Tenni.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/pm-upskirting-comment-sends-radio-shock-jock-offair-20120614-20c0g.html

Jethro Bogan said...

I don't suppose many of the Unity Councillors, as well as Gavin King, would remember what Cairns and the surrounding coastline looked like prior to ceasing major dredging operations. The evil Labor Party scaled down dredging and working port operations, redeveloped the Cairns Esplanade into a thing of beauty from the stinking mudflats they were, and carted the stinking sludge away from the beaches. Just a thought also, major dredging operations had ceased and the clean up completed before our airport expanded. Wonder how much sludge will end up encroaching on the airport? It's going to be a bloody costly exercise a few years down the track, cleaning up the sludge. If the Newman Government doesnt cough up the lolly to keep it at bay, then Cairns will become known as "stink city" and a place to stay away from.

Lex said...

It would be sheer outright irresponsibility to recommence major dredging operations of Trinity Inlet, without a full environmental impact study. Where is it?

Anonymous said...

Yorkeys Knob water is blue today because the winds are coming from the north. When the wind blows from the south the water goes brown - not dirty, but not blue either. More dredging equals more mud.

Anonymous said...

Canberra is so much more civilised, Anonymous.......

Anonymous said...

Round and round in circles we go
round the political chair
We go forward, we get pushed back
so Cairns is going --- nowhere.

Anonymous said...

Just a little reminder to all bloggers that Michael Moore is still being pursued by a former local councillor for alleged slander/libel on his Cairns Blog to the tune of $350,000 -we all need to be aware that our contributions may be monitored and we too could become targets of an aggrieved CR Councillor or others mentioned by name on this blog.HBW what do you advise? Could you or your posters suffer the same fate?

D.J.HUNT said...

The environmental study on impacts of dredging still not made public 8months after it was due. The head of Ports North gets the boot for no apparent reason. Hmmmm makes you wonder what was in that report and if it will come out before the 100 day period.

ruby red dress said...

That silly little ditty Anonymous above encapsulates the direction of Cairns perfectly. Let's see:

*New Hospital - ALP wanted to give, LNP fought it. So no new hospital until 2020(???)
*New theatre - ALP wanted to give it, LNP fought it. So no new theatre in foreseeable future.
*Regional Museum - ALP wanted to give it, fought against by LNP. So no regional museum in foreseeable future.
*Extensions to Convention Centre - ALP wanted to do this, but fought against by LNP. Convention Centre to remain at same size.
*Bruce Highway - ALP devised Bruce Highway Upgrade Strategy including Mulgrave River Southern Approach upgrade. Upgrade commenced but LNP fighting against it and want total new plan.
*Dredging Cairns Inlet - ALP ceased wholescale dredging in Cairns, developed Mourilyan as working port for region. Redeveloped Cairns Esplanade, carted sludge away. - LNP oppose it, want to recommence dredging and redeveloping Cairns as a working port.

Are there any more examples?
We are being dragged round and round in circles. Each and every time we get someone like Val Schier who wants to take us forward, they are met with a screaming crowd of neanderthals running to take the city back to its starting point.
We, the people, have been the casualties of all of this. Having to fly by helicopter to Townsville for certain medical problems, being left with a rapidly ageing and deteriorating theatre, and now facing the certainty of once more becoming known as "stink city".

Anonymous said...

D.J. Hunt, that report was due to be released in March of this year. Its absence is very suspicious.

Anonymous said...

Now Newman has the green light to sell the government assets by his mate Costello (why didn't they have an independent audit from people who know what they're doing?) I guess we can definitely kiss the earmarked precict land goodbye.

Anonymous said...

Well Mr Glennie, gee there's alot of very angry people that you have upset by your stupidity, by defaming them and are out to get you. All i can say is you better have plenty of money.

Anonymous said...

Here's a song for all those nasty little trolls http://youtu.be/uz2jbCJXkpA

Anonymous said...

Ruby, if Mourilyan Harbour is the working port of FNQ instead of Cairns, how come the Cruise Ships do not berth there? Could it be that the location is inappropriate?

shangai said...

stuff that tony burke and katter and rod glassion are on my bullseye what the fuck u have a tourism meeting and what no asians rep there uare kidding i want a total over throw of this garbage yeah shoot the crocs the will be bait !

Jethro Bogan said...

Anonymous 12.54, why the hell is the Newman Government so paranoid about our "credit rating"? Australia, as a whole has a AAA rating. We are not deterring any investors in the mining industry here. Why should our elderly poor, those who cannot afford to go into privately owned aged care facilities, now have to pay the price for "devolution of state owned aged-care residential facilities"? Why is Newman kowtowing to the likes of the American corporations like Standard & Poor's, Fitch and Moody who determine these "credit ratings"? I note that Newman has said that "asset sales would only occur if taken to an election." Since he is guaranteed to be returned in the next several elections, we can expect to see quite a lot of assets sold off in the next several years. No, Queenslanders won't be able to run along and vote them out because of "asset sales" either. That option has gone.

Mz Elly-May Clambutt said...

Interesting Anonymous above. Bit of a joke isn't it. The LNP slammed the ALP for selling off State Assets, now it looks like they will be doing it, but on an even bigger scale. Queenslanders were sucked right in on that one. Yep, Queensland voters could exercise their democratic muscle and vote Anna out, but they won't be able to vote Newman out for a long, long time, if ever, in his lifetime. You really have to wonder at the intelligence of Queenslanders.

ruby red dress said...

Anonymous, could it be that a working port right in the heart of a modern city is "inappropriate"? Particularly a modern city pushing a tourist image? Has it occurred to you that our leaders decided this back in the 1980s??

jim-bob snr. said...

Anonymous at 12.54, Manning won't be able to flog off the land designated for the Entertainment Precinct. He campaigned heavily citing that the land was "critical to ports expansion". Should he sell it to a developer, he and his Unity Team would immediately be viewed by the public as liars and as crooked as two bob watches.

Anonymous said...

Peter Costello quote about credit agencies -

I know how he feels. For over a decade as treasurer I would get an annual visit from the various ratings agencies, which would ask their standard questions. Their analysts were neither original nor especially bright. After a perfunctory review they would give a credit rating - a kind of exam mark - to the economy. There was little scrutiny of the people who were doing the review. They have extraordinary power but very little accountability.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/us-credit-rating-downgrade-could-be-a-blessing-in-disguise-20110816-1iw7g.html#ixzz1xyATjJNz

ruby red dress said...

Verrrrrrrrrrry interesting, Anonymous above! The Credit Rating Agencies have "extraordinary power, but little accountability" and that was said by none other than Peter Costello. Well, well, well. This must be quoted, over and over!
I have been wondering for some tme just who these people are and who bestowed on them the right to dictate economic policy to not only countries but individual Australian States. That their ratings are being used as a political weapon is obvious.
I agree with Jethro's deduction above. That it doesn't matter if we as a State don't have a AAA. Australia does, and that is what should count, if anything. The LNP are using this whole issue as blatant scaremongering tactics.

Anonymous said...

Ruby, if a "working port" is primarily concerned with allowing large cruise liners to berth, how is that at odds with our image as a "tourisr city"?

ruby said...

Anonymous, have you any idea of what a "working port" is like? Or are you one of the Mexicans who have moved up here after the 1980s and know it all.

ruby said...

Anonymous, have you any idea of what a "working port" is like? Or are you one of the Mexicans who have moved up here after the 1980s and know it all.

Anonymous said...

I am a southerner and I get it. Working port = Botany or Port Kembla and a cruise ship terminal = Circular Quay.

Anonymous said...

Oh looky found a good video on QLD eerrr mean Mississippi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb62fpsyhC4&feature=youtu.be

Anonymous said...

Two interesting snippets of news:

1) A new James Cook University report says there is a definite link between dredging of Gladstone harbour and fish disease in the area

2) The Newman government intends to impose a "deficit reduction levy" on all rate-able properties.

There will be an increase in state taxes and charges across the board which will undoubtedly lead to CRC having to increase rates and charges on top of the "deficit reduction levy".

So we will get rate rises with no CEP and no CBD renewal. But we might get dredging of the inlet with no evidence of real economic benefit and the potential of massive environmental damage.

Maybe it would be wiser to investigate the viability of constructing an offshore mooring facility for cruise ships...

Dean said...

In Melbourne, the Cruise Terminal is Station Pier in Port Melbourne. The old working port at the Docklands was closed and is now a residential area.

Nowhere in the world mixes a working port with a cruise terminal. They're two completely different things.

Sometimes they're next to each other, but the further apart, the better. There will never be a large working dock in Cairns. There's only one highway link and it goes right past Mourilyan Harbour.

ruby said...

You might like to read Bill Cummings February report, Anonymous above, in which he prepared the case for both.(This report was probably given to Newman as the case for funding.) Incidentally, cruise ship owners have repeatedly warned that the trend fror cruise ships is to build them bigger and bigger so establishing Cairns as a cruise ship port will only be temporary, before they then have to once again berth at Yorkeys Knob or Mourilyan.

jim-bob snr. said...

Anonymous, 08.16 - I direct you to the report, entitled "SOME ISSUES RELATING TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED CAIRNS ENTERTAINMENT PRECINCT", prepared by Bill Cummings in February of this year, Reference: J2517, and presented to the Chamber of Commerce.
In the report Cummings writes at length on the hazards facing patrons of the Entertainment Precinct (while oddly enough ignoring the hazards to patrons of Harbor Lights, the Convention Centre etc.)
Cummings also writes.."If Cairns is to achive its objectives of becoming a supply base for more mining centres in the Far North...". He then goes on to describe the requirements to turn Cairns into a working port.
The report is well worth the read as it indicates that moves are afoot to not just turn the Cairns Inlet into a Circular Quay, but both a working port and a cruise ship terminal.

Anonymous said...

I can't understand what it would be a working port for. Mourilyan will be taking the larger proportion of sugar as the cane farms disappear around Cairns and Mossman. The Tablelands sugar already goes down the Palmerston as would most products from the mining and agricultural industry. Cairns is not an industrial town so exactly what will be loaded onto the ships?

Jethro Bogan said...

Anonymous, 9.20 above. If we are about to be plunged into an era of economic austerity and limited Government spending, you are correct. Recommencing major dredging operations in the Inlet may result in an environmental catastrophe with no monies available to remedy the situation.
The impact on our tourist industry could be disastrous. Building a pontoon at Yorkeys Knob andf supplying information kiosks, courtesy buses etc may be the best option.

Anonymous said...

Cairns will never be a working port ever again. Ask yourself - what cargoes of any high value are we likely to export out of Cairns? The answer is none. What cargoes of any high values are we likely to import into Cairns. The answer is none. Existing cargoes like sugar will continue to decrease as more and more sugar interest concentrate on the Burdekin. The Burdekin area is where sugar is concreting. Don't be surprised if the fertilizer factory in Cairns closes in the not to distant future. The new fertilizer plant in Townsville is going busters where as the Cairns plant has had no money spent on it in years. It is literally falling apart.
Even if we had something to Import or Export where is the road corridor to move the goods in and out of the City. There is none. Bill Cummings and Unsir Bob Norman have led the charge to make Cairns a working port again. I am still waiting for them to tell us all where the cargoes are coming from. Don't hold your breath as they haven't got a clue. As the past CEO of th
E Port Authority, Bob Manning would be fully aware of this and deep down he surely realizes he has helped stuff the building of the much needed CEP, Museum and taken away the ability of the Convention Centre to hold Conventions with 5,000 attendees. We have lost these projects together with almost $1million in Government funding which is the highest amount ever promised to Cairns in our history. Charlie.

jim-bob snr. said...

Charlie, read Bill Cummings report which should be online. He writes about Cairns Port becoming the supply port for the developing mines in FNQ, bringing in things like mining equipment, explosives, chemicals etc. He goes into great length in detailing how these would pose dangers to the patrons of the Entertainment Precinct, but does not mention the dangers posed to other buidings on the waterfront. He then writes about the minerals which would be exported through the Cairns port.
He also writes about Cairns Port becoming a centre for the shipping industry between FNQ and Papua New Guinea. As I said, read his report and all will be revealed.
I have no doubt this report was presented to Campbell Newman to argue the case for recommencement of major dredging in the Cairns inlet and to argue against the Entertainment Precinct.

Dean said...

Big mining equipment can't get up the range from Cairns. The Gillies Road was almost closed permanently last time it was closed because Main Roads couldn't afford the maintenance any more.

Cairns simply isn't suitable to supply large mining equipment to the Tablelands and beyond. The range in this area is too difficult to cross with large equipment. Let alone that the route via Kuranda is already congested.

Farmers up there will use Mourilyan more and more as transport costs increase and it becomes cheaper to take large loads to Innisfail rather than many small loads into Cairns.

Don't forget, Cairns was originally started as a supply to the goldfields, but then superceded by Port Douglas which was a better port. The same thing is happening, but as loads have got bigger, Cairns isn't suitable, but Mourilyan is.

ruby red dress said...

The Wilderness Society have just published a poster listing 8 new mines proposed for Cape York. This is obviously behind the plans to have Cairns as a "service port" for the developing mining industry. I agree Dean, Mourilyan is more suited as a "service port".

Anonymous said...

The port of Karumba would probably be more suitable for all those mines in Cape York.

Anonymous said...

The port of Karumba would probably be more suitable for all those mines in Cape York.

Anonymous said...

Why not forget charging cruise passengers, why not open the ports to boat people and just charge them $30 to get off.
Bette still why doesn't Can Do Newman apply this in Brisbane instead of testing it out in Cairns.
He removed millions from the Cairns economy to balance the QLD (Brisbane) budget, now he wants to tax Cairns visitors to help balance that budget, but not apply it to Brisbane!!!! Wot tha!!!