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14 January 2013

TIME TO DUMP COMPULSORY VOTING - BUT OTHER REFORMS NECESSARY AS WELL

With the recent Queensland LNP proposal to reform voting including ditching the "compulsory voting" requirement, debate has been raging - spurred on by Prime Minister Julia Gillard vowing to fight any move to voluntary voting.  Oddly, Kevin Rudd when PM proposed similar changes, and issued a Green Paper on the subject that sank, along with him, with nary a trace.

The HBW is voicing support of voluntary voting.  Like most, we've been on both sides of this issue over the years and we respect that many will object to our view.  However we believe the evidence is clear - forcing uninformed and politically uneducated citizens into the polling place results in the worst form of governance. Ignorant forced voters are a danger to representative democracy. 

Today's Cairns Post has results of their annual survey, which shows that despite the local and state elections having just been held, a third can't name their federal or state members of Parliament, and over 40% have no idea who their council member might be.  Clearly huge numbers of blockheads, forced into the poll, have done nothing to educate themselves about the issues.  They haven't even educated themselves into their candidate's NAME!

It's no wonder large numbers of the public can't figure out why the Schier council-approved Entertainment Precinct and CBD overhaul haven't been done.  They had no idea they were voting for neanderthals.  

Compulsory voting has historically been used to "train" a new democracy electorate into the right to vote, with the compulsion removed in time.  The start of compulsory voting in Australia was seen as a boon to the existing parties - they no longer needed to spend money to "get out the vote", and could just concentrate on "educating the public" about their policies.  

And yet we have a less-educated electorate then ever before.  With federal and state elections being run as "beauty contests" like a Presidential system, the local member is but a ticket to the "President" the public wants.  It was a contest between Joh Bjelke Newman and Anna Beattie Bligh - with the result that ciphers like Gavin King and Michael Trout were given seats in Parliament.  And now we're paying the price.

And the act of NOT VOTING is itself and expression of political will that is being denied to the electorate. 

We do however believe that the issue of compulsory voting cannot be considered in a vacuum.  Other electoral issues need discussion.

Some of these include:

•  Tough limits on party expenditures and full disclosure of campaign finance sources - including banning company contributions completely
• True representative government, where MP's vote their conscience and constituents instead of being forced to vote as their party masters dictate
• Banning the use of "How to Vote" cards at polling stations during the poll.
• Requirement for the broadcast media (radio & television) to host debates between the candidates (the airwaves are owned by the public, and this reasonable requirement is common in most western democracies)
• Video taping and public access to local Council meetings (a local government requirement scrapped by Bob "Sleepy" Manning as one of his first acts as Mayor)

As always your comments are encouraged.


FURTHER READING
QUEENSLAND GOVERNMENT DISCUSSION PAPER
COMPULSORY VOTING, PARTY STABILITY, AND ELECTORAL ADVANTAGE IN AUSTRALIA
COMPULSORY VOTING - DOES IT FAVOUR THE ALP?

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

Gosh HBW -got to think long and hard on this one -I have yet to be convinced.

Alison Alloway said...

I must respectfully disagree with you on this one, Hillbilly. I support our current system of compulsory voting. Democracy comes with responsibilities and freedom from tyranny requires constant vigilance. People in many countries today are fighting for the right of "one vote, one value."
As has been pointed out however, once you are in the polling booth, no-one is holding a gun over your head ordering you to put a pencil mark beside any particular candidate. You can simply fold your ballot paper up without voting and put it in the ballot box. Having been a scrutineer for many years, I confirm there is always a small pile of these votes found, when doing the count.
As for politicians having "conscience votes", I also disagree. We don't elect them to follow their consciences, we elect them to follow OUR wishes. In todays world of technology, it is easier enough for an MP to circulate his or her electorate to gain the wishes of a majority on any controversial issue before he or she votes in Parliament. On "How to Vote" cards. I agree, totally. What a waste of paper! In New Zealand, the voting places contain one poster from each political party advising voters of "How to Vote". That is all they have.
To sum up, yes, we do need some reforms, however I am totally opposed to the concept of non-compulsory voting.

Jethro said...

Hillbilly, just because some people are as dumb as dog turds, that shouldn't disqualify them from voting! Yes, I know, I know, I'm also hearing people say they wished to God they hadn't voted for Newman, but hey, isn't that what democracy is about? Aren't we allowed to make mistakes? Newman has been revealed as probably the greatest liar we have ever experienced in Queensland, viz: "No public servant need fear me." Then once elected, he embarks on the greatest sacking exercise of public servants ever experienced in Australia. Don't you think people will learn from this?
Compulsory voting brings in the "swinging voter", those people wo really do make or break a government. Looking back over the decades, it seems to me, looking at how the political pendulum has swung left and right, then left again, that those swinging voters nearly always make the correct choices. Nearly. What would happen if we had non-compulsory voting? Chances are we would have had the same government for decades and today be in a real sorry mess.

CBD Warrior said...

Jethro,
I appreciate your viewpoint, but it isn't reflected in the reality everywhere else. I've read briefly the papers HBW posted as an addendum, and this isn't what's happening around the world. I agree that there are good arguments for both sides, as Alison points out. And like HBW I too have been on both sides of the issue. But I do now agree with HBW that compulsory voting should be scrapped.

Jethro said...

Really CBD Warrior? So you believe that around the world non-compulsory voting always gets it right hey? How interesting. I would have thought that the 42% or whatever it was who voted for George Dubya Bush got it very very wrong. Had there been compulsory voting, I don't believe that arsehole would ever have been voted in.

jim-bob snr said...

Yeah well, how you all forget. Blokes of my generation were conscripted and sent off to fight a war we didn't want. Remember Vietnam! And you know what? We didn't even have the right to vote. So now you pricks want your grandkids to go through it all over again. Conscripted and sent off to a war voted for by only a minority of voters. You haven't learned anything from us have you? Funny, but I always thought we were fighting for the right to vote, unlike the communists we were fighting.

CBD Warrior said...

Actually Jethro, Dubya was reelected with over 50% of the popular vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004

Gavin King got 42%. Trout got 45%.

I don't dispute that from both our standpoints, "Americans got it wrong" by reelecting Bush. But it wasn't on the numbers you've used.

ruby said...

Hmm, non-compulsory voting hey? Well, let's see...
Last election we had a 97% turnout or thereabouts.
Next State Election we will see a 75% turnout, followed by 55% the following Election. People won't even bother to register to vote, so the pool of people for jury service will diminish and the numbers voting will continue to steadily decline. Remember statistics can only measure the number of people who actually REGISTER to vote, and if it is non-compulsory many people will never bother. Within a generation I predict there will be fewer than 25% of the population registered, only 25% of eligible adults prepared to be jurors, and probably less than 20% bothered to vote at all. It will be the beginning of the end of democracy.

Anonymous said...

CBD Warrior, remember, that 50% of Americans who voted were only the ones who were REGISTERED to vote. Many Americans dont bother. So you can never say he received a majority vote.

Anonymous said...

jim-bob, people no longer know the difference between a totalitarian regime and a democratic one. I hear people coming back from Vietnam and China and exclaiming in wonder, "They are just like us now, just like us!" They only see the evidence of rampant capitalism not the political system, nor the justice system in those countries and the horrific abuse of human rights. I despair of the way our democracy is heading. I see where the tens of thousands of public servants sacked by Newman are treated as contemptuously as rubbish. I see where aged peoples homes are being closed down with no-one caring about where the frail aged are going to go. There is a growing callousness towards the weak and vulnerable which is quite frightening.

Anonymous said...

Don't vote - no value
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2013/01/14/238381_local-news.html

Anonymous said...

I think the best solution for people who don't want to vote is to give them an island off the coast to live on. They can then find their own jobs, water, food, shelter, provide their own sanitation, roads, power, health care, education and policing. If a cyclone comes, leave them alone to their own devices. If they dont want to contribute to our democratic way of life, then they should have the right to be denied all of the benefits. Oh, and of course deny them citizenship.

Lillian at Yorkeys said...

Very good point Anon 13.01. With rights comes responsibility, etc.

However, just to throw in a bit of humour ...

I remember years ago someone painted the following on a prominent bridge (in Melbourne) years ago:

DON'T VOTE - IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THEM.

Anonymous said...

Our democracy is weakening anyway. Mortally sick with consumerism, false gods and "me tooism". Why not give it euthanasia by taking away compulsory voting?

YouCantCatchMe said...

I have a RIGHT to vote, I also have a right, granted or not, to NOT vote.

It isn't democratic to force people to vote.

If you want my vote, earn it.

I'm 66 years old, I have never registered, and never voted, had it been voluntary, things would have been different.

Anonymous said...

An interesting article from New Matilda speaking in favour of compulsory voting. http://newmatilda.com/2013/01/14/defence-compulsory-voting

Anonymous said...



HaHa

Voter apathy evident amongst those that READ the paper enough to do the survey. YIKES. Imagine those that do not bother with media at all. No wonder Abbott chaSes the dumb vote in his fluor number and takes us all down with him.

Jury out.

Anonymous said...



Normally I would probably back compulsory voting but Cairns is such a basket case maybe we should pay most to stay away.

jim-bob snr said...

So all your life you have been one of democracy's drones hey YouCantCatchMe? Let's see, you have sucked off the democratic system, enjoyed the benefits of a safe, comfortable, wealthy country where welfare keeps crime down, where you receive free hospital care in an emergency and governments care enough about you to send emergency crews out to rescue you if lost at sea or in the bush, and so forth. You have sucked off it all your life, like a leech, but given nothing back. The Vietnam War which killed and maimed so many of our young blokes, passed you by. You didn't give a shit about your fellow Australians,and didn't vote to bring them home. We have seen great welfare reforms introduced, aboriginal rights introduced, measures implemented to protect the environment, and you, YouCantCatchMe, didn't give a shit that this was about your country and Australians. Frankly, I think you're a disgrace.

Anonymous said...

Jim-Bob, you are a legend.

Jan from Kewarra said...

To Annonymous 14/1/13 10:42

You forgot to add
the sick,

"There is a growing callousness towards the weak and vulnerable which is quite frightening"

Already over 12,000 people waiting in Cairns alone who have significant medical problems waiting to see someone, get a diagnosis, have tests, treatment or surgery.

Bob R. said...

Thanks for that jim-bob, it adds more substance to the debate. I have always voted, so let's see what I have done since 1972 -
I voted to end the Vietnam War and bring our boys home. I voted for social reform such as making divorces easier and introducing income support welfare for sole parents. I voted for a national medical insurance scheme which has benefitted all Australians. I voted for equal rights for women and indigenous people in this country. I voted for the establishment of some national cancer screening programs. In more recent times I have voted for a national disability insurance scheme and a national broadband network. I also voted against the introduction of WorkChoices. These are some of the things I have helped do for all Australians when I voted and I'm PROUD mate, proud that my vote has made life a lot better for many Australians.

ruby said...

Well done jim-bob snr and Bob R. You have demonstrated you are good citizens who care about the well-being of your fellow Aussies and Australia. Unlike the non-citizen who has surrendered his interest in our country and who at 66 years of age will live and die without contributing anything in his life to Australia. His life has truly been, in Shakespeare's words...
" - the tale of an idiot, full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing."

Gawain Bling, Dishonourable Member for Mackenzie said...

You're all so mean and cruel to me. But I don't care, so there! I support non-compulsory voting because it just isn't democratic to force people to vote. I have had so many people come to me to say, "Gawain," they say, "Gawain, can't you do something about this stupid compulsory voting. Gawain, it's interfering with my days off and spending quality time with the family." I'm a family man myself and I dearly sympathise with them. Why should they spend a couple of hours on a Saturday morning getting ready to vote, when they could have taken the family down to the Gold Coast or gone flying or yachting for the week-end? We in the LNP are also looking at changing voting days from Saturdays to a week day, so that way nobody will have their precious week-ends ruined. Oh it will be so much easier for everyone on a week day. If you feel like voting, you just pop out of the office or workplace for a while, then pop back to work. Of course, because it isn't compulsory, employers don't have to give their employees time off so employees don't have to worry. Election Day will be just work as usual for workers. We won't also be inconveniencing the schools either as voting places. I put forward the suggestion that Electorate Offices of Members of Parliament could be used as polling stations. I mean that way we could confirm that the people who voted were really eligible to vote, know what I mean? We could also keep the undesirables and riffraff out. However we haven't yet decided as to where people should be allowed to vote. One of my esteemed colleagues has suggested Police Stations and get the police to confirm people's identities and suitability to vote. You know, so that mentally deficient people don't vote because we all know they would vote ALP and they need protecting.
We are going through exciting times and I am so proud to be part of it all. I will be on John's radio program on Wednesday morning, so Toodle Pips until then.

YouCantCatchMe said...

Hahaha, you tossers! I didn't vote for the Vietnam war either, which was a disgrace, as was every Australian who went there, the REAL heroes were the ones who refused!

As for not contributing to Australia, you wouldn't have a clue, the taxes I've paid, the companies I've owned, the hundreds of people I've employed, the charities I've supported, and the causes, some of which you've mentioned, that I've helped financially .... I'll put my record up against yours any day!

Now you own up to being responsible for all the shit and mistakes of governments you've voted in, the wars they've supported, and still support, and the huge debts my grand-kids will be paying off their whole lives.

REAL democracy is a choice, if there's no choice, there's no democracy!

Jax said...

The best argument I have heard for compulsory voting is that you get candidates that have to appeal to the broader "society" and not just the extreme minority.

I know that seems hard to justify given recent elections, but can you imagine just how "extreme" they could be knowing that 50/60% of the populace didn't vote. See the Republican Party in the US, who have just about disappeared up there own backsides.

HBW, Id like to see you guys do an "expose" on the myth of preference deals. Due to media misrepresentation people actually believe that there vote can be allocated to another party against their will. If you don't blindy follow the "How to Vote" Card this can't and doesn't happen!

Bob R. said...

Yeah, YouCantCatchMe, like in the USA today? Funny, they don't have compulsory voting but they have a greater debt than what we do and they have been involved almost continously in wars. They dont have a national health insurance system and people go broke if they get sick. They have the worst crime record of all western countries because crime has been allowed to develop as a form of income support because there is an inadequate welfare system for incme support. Of all the western countries they have the highest prisoner population. Is this the sort of country you want for Australia?

Seth said...

Doesn't the democratic process allow for mistakes, YouCantCatchMe? Everyone I know is outraged at Campbell Newman and his lies and can't wait to toss him out at the next Election. As for Gavin King, people are just furious that he has lost Cairns so much when he should have been fighting for Cairns. He too will get the arse next election. This is democracy at work.

Anonymous said...

...."didn't vote for the Vietnam war either, which was a disgrace, as was every Australian who went there, the REAL heroes were the ones who refused!" Yes their protests made such a difference didn't they? More likely it was the horrific scenes that were shown on our TV's and in our paper by a media that in those days had a greater sense of social responsibilty. And of course the Australian public reacting by electing a government that got the soldiers out of Vietnam had absolutely nothing to do with it.
No one is ever forcing anyone to vote. The one thing you are required to do is register your presence. But obviously as a successful businessman with no real name and a stalwart of our community I can understand that you probably wouldn't have the time.

jim-bob snr said...

"...the REAL heroes were the ones who refused". Mate, I think that sums you up doesn't it? You don't have a clue. So here you are now prepared to let a future minority government, probably elected by less than 15% of eligible voters, vote to conscript your grandchildren for another immoral war. Only this time around, instead of going to prison for being a conscientious objector, the minority government may decide to execute them. Non-compulsory voting opens the doors to the eventual rule of tyranny.

Anonymous said...

YouCantCatchMe, governments have done many good things as well as make mistakes. How could we ever say that the Whitlam Government in making divorce easier made a mistake? We, the voting public, in voting for Whitlam agreed with that social change. It was time for social changes and we live with the benefits of those changes now. When the Goss Labor Government decriminalised homosexuality, how could you say that was "shit and mistakes"? We, the voting public agreed that it was time to end homophobia and we voted for such a change. Today people are free to live their lives openly, and not hide shamefully behind sham marriages or live lonely lives and face jail sentences. These are just two of the positive initiatives which we voters have helped change in this country and which YOU in your ignorance have not done a thing for.

Vi L. Schumm said...

YouCantCatchMe is still missing the point. If everyone did the same as him/her, democracy would not work. And democracy does not imply a choice in everything we do. We compel compliance with traffic law for our mutual safety. We compel jury service for the effective working of the legal system. As Alison Alloway has pointed out, we compel attendance at a polling booth (no one can actually make you vote) in the interests of a vibrant democracy, rather than one which is ruled by monied or other interests. This is not to say that optional votong would necessarily be a disaster. But too many of the safeguards that HBW proposes can be easily whittled away, as they have been in the US, to the detriment of democracy. Do we want to end up with a system dominated by money and with so many people convinced that the sytem is rigged that they do not bother to vote?

T. Asquith said...

I was conscripted, and at 'only 19', conscientious objection (and civil disobedience) for me was not in the equation. I was just out of school and I did as I was told. So just as young men have for eons past, I was called and I went. Today, with the wisdom of years, I now have a different view and would not so easily go like a lamb to the slaughter. But to suggest that "the real heroes were the ones that refused" sounds like a smug comment from someone who was not even in that position. As far as I'm concerned, we were all more victims than heroes and that applies to those that went AND those who resisted.

Anonymous said...

This Blog has become a font of wisdom and excellent reading. Thank you to all those who have answered YCCM with such thoughtful words and I feel that we are all a little better of by reading these comments, demonstrating the wisdom and depth of knowledge that only age and experience can bring.

jim-bob snr said...

Agreed, T. Asquith, and bear in mind we were only 19 or 20 and at that time and COULD NOT VOTE. It wasnt until the Whitlam Government that the age to vote was dropped from 21 to 18. The conscientious objectors didn't fare well, as you said, we were all victims. Many of us learned from that hideous mistake of Vietnam and spent our lives making sure we wouldn't go through it again, nor our kids. And I taught my kids to follow politics and not get fooled by silken tongues and empty promises and to know which side their bread is buttered, so to speak.

Alison Alloway said...

The recent Cairns Post article revealing the extent to which people have become "disengaged" from politics is disturbing and offers food for thought.
What Campbell Newman has done in implementing the biggest mass sacking of wage earners in Australia's history is unprecedented in its premeditated deceit. We're not talking here about promising a new school and then reneging on it. We're talking about peoples lives. This is a mass of people, economists estimate the entire working population of a Queensland regional city like Maryborough, tossed unceremoniously out of work. Newman seduced Queensland's public servants with a wide eyed sincere appeal during the election campaign with "No public servant need fear me." Yet within weeks of being elected, the horror began. Phrases like "creaming the fat" and "fat cats" littered the explanations of Newman and the LNP, yet the reality was the A02s and A03s, the frontline staff were being sacked, in their thousands.
Here in Cairns, the local member, Gavin King could not tell The Cairns Post how many had lost their jobs, nor did he know which Government departments were affected. While King talked endlessly of making "tough" decisions, he made no effort to understand who they were or to meet the sacked workers face to face. Thus we saw thousands of people lose their jobs, their livelihoods, their mortgages, their cars, their way of life, while beng contemptuously described as "fat cats". Newman and the LNP then tried to blame it on the previous Labor Government, however most Queenslanders understand that our population has doubled since 1980 and that there had to be a sizeable rise in the number of public servants serving the public as a consequence.
Above all, there is this sense of betrayal in the community. Newman has told the worst, most damaging lie in peoples memory. And still it goes on. Newman said in December, that the sackings would stop. They haven't, and facebook sites have been set up for people to share information about where it is happening.
I can't stress enough, the enormity of the damage Newman has done to that precious thing, the "social contract" which exists between the public and the government. Whereas other governments have sorely tested it, Newman has savaged it in ways that it may never recover. There are people now so disallusioned, so embittered they will never trust a political party or politician again. There is so much anger out there, it is fearful.
I believe however, that this is known to the LNP and that it is part of the reasoning behind this sudden move to introduce non-compulsory voting. Many people whose trust and faith in governments have been ruthlessly smashed will disengage completely. Just as the LNP saw them as expendable as public servants, so too they see them as expendable as potential voters.

Anonymous said...

We need to to educate our youth on the importance of the vote and also the way the parliamentary system works. It should be part of the school curriculum so that by voting age, they at least have some idea of which government is responsible for what and if they have a complaint which elected person they should question. Voting is a privilege and Australians have earned this right. In many countries, people are killing each other for this privilege today. Don't let it go - keep it compulsory.

YouCantCatchMe said...

What a bunch of redneck losers you lot are, no wonder you elected King and Newman!

Australia is the ONLY Western democracy that forces it's citizens to vote, and yet you talk as if the world would suddenly stop turning!

In other democracies, those who have an interest in voting, who understand what they are voting for, and why, do so, those who don't, don't.

When you force people to vote, you get Bjelke Petersens, and Campbell Newmans, you lose funding, like the CEP, and Hillbilly radio jocks have undue influence over stupid people who otherwise wouldn't vote.


REAL democracy is a choice, if there's no choice, there's no democracy!

Jethro said...

Food for thought there, Alison.
My analysis is that there will be a sizeable group of voters who will be seething and fuming until they get the opportunity to kick Newman and his cronies out, out, out. But who knows for certain? As you said, with non-compulsory voting they could drop out altogether, just leave the building permanently.
YouCantCatchMe, I disagree with you mate. Yeah we know, we know dills and idiots go along and vote and vote a certain way for stupid reasons. However they are all part of our great democracy. We need our swinging voters, frequently these are people who are easily swayed by an oily public relations job or fired up by the shock jocks who spit out racism, wild exaggeration and hatred onto their audiences. Then there are other swinging voters who think about the reasons why they vote. Whatever, we need them as much as we need the dedicated party voters as it isn't a good thing to keep the same political party in office for decades.

Bob R. said...

Alison, I believe you are spot on the money again. I was wondering why in hell this idea of non-compulsory voting has suddenly come up. You are dead correct. It is a blatant calculated political ruse by the LNP. They reason there will be so many people pissed off by the next election at what they have done, that they will chance a good number of people not bothering to vote at all, if non-compulsory voting was introduced. In other words, the LNP will maximise their chances of keeping all their seats.
It is a bit risky, but the reasoning is there. People rarely blame themselves for their stupidity in voting for the wrong people and the fact that so many people already have disengaged from the "social contract", it stands to reason that these numbers will in all probability, increase. God help us.

Vi L. Schumm said...

YouCantCatchMe is still there with his (or her but I doubt it) arrogant dismissal of the rest of us. Arrogance may be understood, if not justified, in the truly clever, but his arguments are full of holes. The US does not force people to vote, but elected George W Bush not once but twice. And radio shock jocks with undue influence are hardly unknown there. I suspect that YouCantCatchMe is having us on.

Where is your evidence that people in other democracies are better informed? There is plenty of evidence that in some countries the non-voters are simply discouraged.

We may not want to catch you, YouCantCatchMe, in case we actually find you, but you have caught yourself out.

And just to repeat what you repeatedly ignore, you are NOT forced to vote, you are obliged, and only at the risk of a small fine, to attend a voting booth.

Anonymous said...

Just heard the interview with Mr King on radio -unbelievably weak man. He seems to be so afraid of upsetting certain parts of the community that his answers to questions put to him such as "why don't we introduce caning like Singapore does to those who break the law?" were met with "I would like to meet with you later to discuss". Surely any pollie with guts would say something like "This is Australia not Singapore and we do not treat our citizens this way"
The talk with DJ Hunt was an eye opener too -King could not bring himself to apologise for what seemed like a gross error on his Facebook page. When he becomes the target of talkback Mr King is totally out of his depth and as for the infamous Mr Tenni -words fail me!

jim-bob snr said...

Christ, I just listened to the Mackenzie Show and feel like taking a few Panadol and a lie down. The jackasses and dills out there are bloody just amazing. First there was some dickhead blaming tne rising cost of electricity on "the greenies" for "their wind farm at Emerald". Thank Christ David Kempton who was on straightened that dill out. Then there was the bloke who said none of the navy will vote for Gillard because of all the boat people and that some woman will not have a baby because the Muslims will take over Australia. Then there was Martin Tenni who actually said the Government should do "something about Separation of Powers". (Yeah he did.) Then there was some bloke who was all fired up on the use of the term "para-military" to describe the organisation of the Police Force. No doubt this dick thinks all the cops can do what they like and have equal authority. There are some fools out there alright, yet I still believe they should vote. Their stupidity and ignorance shouldn't disbar them.

Anonymous said...

jim-bob snr you deserve a medal mate if you listened to one of Mackenzie's programs.

YouCantCatchMe said...

@vile scum ...

"Where is your evidence that people in other democracies are better informed?"

I haven't claimed they are, but where is your evidence that they aren't?


"There is plenty of evidence that in some countries the non-voters are simply discouraged."

Really? Show me some?



Whilst you're at it, why not comment on the very quiet HBW?

Let me remind you ...

"The HBW is voicing support of voluntary voting. Like most, we've been on both sides of this issue over the years and we respect that many will object to our view. However we believe the evidence is clear - forcing uninformed and politically uneducated citizens into the polling place results in the worst form of governance. Ignorant forced voters are a danger to representative democracy."


Or what about a comment on Kevin Rudd asking the same question in 2009?

Seth said...

King is as weak as piss (Anon 12.09). He made an insinuation against D J Hunt last week, and today stumbled and mumbled away an apology after Hunt took him to task and demanded an apology. Good on you Hunt!

John said...

Off topic, but Newman is closing down more hospitals and more nursing staff are being sacked. Is the man a compulsive liar? I'm wondering more and more just what have we got in Premier Newman?

Anonymous said...

Dunno why you bother jim-bob. Most of the people who call rugnut are crackpots or simpletons. rugnut shamelessly manipulates them and inflames them even further.

Bazza said...

I am convinced that this bullshit about voting is being done to try and have a go at the fed gov before the election. This POPEYE premier should get on with this state instead of trying to bring down the Labor Gov in Canberra, a smoke screen to cover up their inability to do anything for the community in this state, because they don't know how to.

Anonymous said...

Just read your long post there Alison A. Like you, I suspect this is a political strategy designed to maximise the LNPs election chances. When voting is compulsory and people are pissed off with a government, they make sure they register their protest at the ballot box. Just like they did with the Bligh Government. However if it is non-compulsory voting I believe the angry and disallusioned won't bother to vote.
I can see this happening.

jim-bob jnr said...

Look who cares if it was Rudd or Newman or bloody Shane Warne who wanted non-compulsory voting. Compulsory voting gives us ONE VOTE ONE VALUE which in turn gives us government of the people, by the people because everyone has voted and everyones vote counts equally. Who cares if the fuckwits and dickheads go and vote one way or the other. If you have non-compulsory voting, then we dont get the ONE VOTE ONE VALUE principle and we dont get government of the people by the people. We will end up under a fucken dictatorship.
PS Dad you shouldnt be listening to fucken rugnut either. You got high blood pressure.

YouCantCatchMe said...

"Compulsory voting gives us ONE VOTE ONE VALUE"

Bullshit! One vote one value refers to the sizes of the electorates.

You need to get out more!

jim-bob jnr said...

That might have applied during the worst excesses of Johs gerrymanders YouCantCatchMe, but we dont have those extreme disparities in electorate sizes any more.

YouCantCatchMe said...

@ J-BJ .... the FACT that we don't, is because of the principle of One Vote One Value, that is the assurance, it has NOTHING to do with compulsory voting, nothing whatsoever, and for you to claim "We will end up under a fucken dictatorship." is stupid in the extreme!

Anonymous said...

to vote or not to vote?