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4CA - Queensland's Home for Fake News Led by John "Cueball" Mackenzie

07 March 2016

LEAKED NAVY REPORT BEING USED BY MAYOR MANNING AND WARREN ENTSCH TO PROP UP UNNEEDED DREDGING OF CAIRNS INLET - ARE THEY DELIBERATELY DECEPTIVE OR JUST IGNORANT??

John MacKenzie screamed the "story of the day" Monday, giddy as a schoolgirl. He began touting as "fact" a leaked draft  Defence White Paper that suggests HMAS Cairns will be tripled in size.  The White Paper has yet to get approval from the Minister and Cabinet. But that hasn't stopped MacKenzie from trumpeting it as "fact" when it is NOT.

First of all, why is a leaked defence ministry document not the subject of an Australian Federal Police investigation?   Insiders have confirmed that one of the draft documents was in the hands of our local Minister for Blogging, Warren Entsch.  It's also been confirmed that all the drafts are routinely and secretly watermarked.  The story of the day SHOULD have been the search for the traitors that are leaking classified documents.

But MacKenzie, Mayor "Sleepy" Bob Manning, and Warren Entsch all jumped on the leaked news as confirmation our inlet and port would be dredged in support of an HMAS Cairns expansion.  Entsch claimed that the dredging would be required for Australian military vessels as well as possible American ships.

We would guess that the routine porting of American warships in Queensland would be subjected to a round of consultation with the public, something that has yet to occur.  We can think of lots of reasons this would have significant opposition.

Any requirement that the channel will need to be dredged for larger military ships is a complete and utter lie.  Typical of Entsch and his 4CA doppleganger, MacKenzie.

The current channel depth of the channel to HMAS Cairns is 8.3 meters.
RAN'S LARGEST SHIPS - EASILY
FIT INTO THE CURRENT CAIRNS PORT
 The HMAS Cairns "swing basin" (used to turn the ships) is also currently 8.3 meters.  This depth is known to be too shallow for the giant cruise ships that currently anchor at Yorkey's Knob.

The  absolute  LARGEST ships in the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) are the Canberra-class LHD Assault ships.  The minimum water depth required of these ships (known as the "draft") is just over 7 meters. Clearly these ships would have no trouble navigating the current channel and docking at an expanded HMAS Cairns.

All the other RAN vessels are MUCH smaller - with the Anzac class ships drafting 4.3 meters, and the new Armidale class patrol boats drafting just 2.7 meters.  Not much more than a fishing tinny.

And as was pointed out by John Grey, the USS Blue Ridge, a US landing and command ship, has visited Cairns and docked at the cruise terminal several times.  The draft of the Blue Ridge is 8.3 meters.  John Grey noted that he was 'not a naval specialist'.  No shit.  It's unfortunate Grey has allowed himself to (again) be manipulated by Entsch, Manning, and MacKenzie instead of providing accurate and unbiased information.  But if he did that, the story being spun by these three in support of the (unneeded and expensive) dredging project couldn't be sold to the public.  

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIP UP!

And while it's been suggested that the larger US ships (battleships, aircraft carriers) could not enter the Cairns Port without dredging, that's a red herring argument.  The United States Navy would NEVER park an aircraft carrier alone in a port like Cairns.  Aircraft carriers travel as the centre of a  "Carrier Strike Group" composed of up to nine support and defense ships.  All would need to be anchored together by US Navy policy.  You don't leave an aircraft carrier costing US$13billion undefended anywhere.

Let's be clear:  EVERY AUSTRALIAN NAVY SHIP EVER MADE, OR PROPOSED TO BE PRODUCED, WILL FIT EASILY INTO THE CAIRNS INLET WITH NO DREDGING!

Expansion of HMAS Cairns makes a lot of sense for the defence needs of the future.  There has been no case made for a "MILITARY IMPERATIVE" for the kind of $300 million dredging program being pushed for the cruise ship industry to be undertaken for the Royal Australian Navy.  


THE CLAIMS THAT THIS IS THE CASE IS
A BOLD-FACED LIE 

The leak of this secret report smells like the work of a rogue LNP Parliamentarian trying to curry favour for himself and Mayor Manning.

We encourage the AFP to investigate the leaking of this important draft document as a treasonous act.

36 comments:

Mike said...

Other than pork barrelling, why expand Cairns? Darwin and Weipa would make more sense as they're closer to the areas of operation.

CBD Warrior said...

The most shameful part of this story is the realisation that John Grey is a tool. This isn't the first time he's allowed his opinions to be twisted. But he clearly had the opportunity to be factual. And he wasn't. His credibility is zero.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah. Biggest news since aquis and everybody is spoofing over the news. Wtf

Anonymous said...



You can't make this ship up.

ha ha

Geoff Holland said...

I agree with Mike - why bother expanding HMAS Cairns at all? Do we think it is a growth industry? Conservatives all mock dependence on the 'Nanny State' but are quick to hold out their hands for regular payments for military bases.

We are so paranoid about the Yellow Peril building a military base in the South China Sea, but we are happy with the UK defending the Malvinas Islands ('Falklands') and we are happy with the US having 662 foreign bases in 38 countries (Ron Paul says 900 bases with US military personnel in 120 countries).

China is currently downsizing its army. Expanding our own military - as if we can afford that - is really not the signal we should be sending.

And what about Indonesia as a threat? They spend just 0.8% of their GDP on the military, and as a result the military is going backwards (ie the right direction which all countries should be heading). Indonesia plans to reduce military spending by 6.3% in 2016.

I don't agree with what's happening in the South Chine Sea, but military brinkmanship isn't going to make any difference. Oil reserves need to be negotiated through round table discussion. Other closer neighbouring countries deserve a stake. Economic sanctions against China are another possibility. But sabre-rattling is a waste of money.

Geoff Holland said...

Following on from my last comment, Australia just overtook Italy in terms of gross military expenditure, and now ranks #12 in the world. Australia has 24 million people, and spends USD23 billion or 1.8% of GDP on arms (ie USD1000 for every man, woman and child), while Canada has 36 million people, and spends USD11 billion or 0.9% of GDP on arms (ie USD300 per person).


We are aggressive, and according to South Pacific nations, a bully in the region. We supported Indonesia in suppressing Timor l'Este independence until the very last moment when we suddenly switched horses, we implicitly support Indonesia's genocide in West Papua, and we assisted in the suppression of Bouganville independence. We need to pull our horns in. Forget about expanding HMAS Cairns.

Anonymous said...

The shock jock was nearly hysterical yesterday as he tried all and sundry to agree with him that dredging is now inevitable and should start immediately. He's like a dog with a bone. He just has it in his head that the inlet must be dredged no matter what. According to independent candidate Raj Patel while door knocking, the dredging issue came up again and again. So it looks like Manning's diversionary tactic of making this election about a non- council issue is working. It worked for Kevin Byrne when he made his election about law and order, which is also a state issue. Meanwhile I am reading in today's paper that all those ship building contracts are probably going to SA. Maybe Tony Fung can build a navy base at YK as part of his trillion dollar entertainment complex.

Anonymous said...

7 meters!! I'd hate to see their bill. I've got one for power and one for water and although they are metres apart they cost me a shitload!

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable, but not surprising. The fact that we have now recently had the 20 year old airport redevelopment raised and now this ridiculous dredging concept rehashed goes to show the worthlessness of our local Politiicans. Not only have they done nothing in recent years they have nothing solid to offer for the coming years. We, the residents of FNQ have NOT been represented. We are missing out on great opportunities due to the incapabilities and incompetence of the Muppets representing us. If ever there was a time to vote for change it has to be now.

Anonymous said...

What would they find if the were to dredge Mackenzie?

Anonymous said...

I don't know if this has any bearing whatsoever on this, but apparently when the Port of Darwin was leased to the Chinese Corporation which we subsequently found out has strong ties to the ruling Communist Party of China, the terms of the lease gave the Chinese Corporation full rights to determine which ships could berth there. (Fair dinkum, you cannot make this shit up, as Hillbilly says!)
So, because we are now seeing the USA rattling the sabre at China and making all sorts of threatening noises, the question is where will their ships berth in Australia???

Tony Hillier said...

Anon 12:20. Port of Darwin: a classic game of Chinese checkers, that check-mated Australia's Bishop (Julie, that is).

Anonymous said...

The expansion of HMAS Cairns has been on the radar for years , back when I was in defence, mainly driven by whingeing local members who consider defence a great little boost to a flagging economy. Ships have been visiting Cairns for years with few issues, but there is no argument for basing large ships in Cairns at all. The LDS are the biggest we have but have no reason to visit Cairns other than R & R, they are a transport ship to support Army operations and will spend their time at sea, their home port in Sydney or in Townsville picking up troops, tanks helicopters etc from the Army. An expanded patrol boat program and new geo ships are already planned for Cairns 2026- 2036 but we're also in the last 3 white papers anyway, nothing new here. People get Carried away with the $$ outlined but need to be aware this is over a 10 or 20 year period, and was due to be spent anyway. Entsch is having a panic I think.

Anonymous said...

Having served well over a quarter of a century in the navy and retired in Cairns I can say that the future naval defence will be NT, close to perceived threats, real or not. In time of constraint it costs a lot of money to transit up the remaining east coast, across the top and then meet up with foreign and our own navy forces already there for the defence required. I wouldn't get to excited about expansion because by the time it is approved and costed HMAS Cairns upgrades with probably consist of new fuel storage and bowsers on the wharf to refuel ships on their way north and ancillary buildings and car parks for additional administrative staff.
Hundreds of millions will be poured into Townsville as it is a logical place to port combat assualt ships,their crews and families. It is after all one of the main rolls of HMAS Canberra to transport and be a platform as an assault ship, and with Townsville becoming a major army hub on the east coast it is and will always be a logical place to port ships used by the army at their beck and call. HMAS Cairns is and always will be coastal patrol, survey and logistical support to visiting ships on their way to somewhere else. Listeners and the cheer squads of that terrible local talk back program need to take a big deep breath, another tablet and a lie down and think logic not perfuse dreams of fantasy and wish lists of used by date pollies.the end

Tony Hillier said...

HBW and anons 14:25 and 19:47 clearly know what they're talking about. This is the kind of informed comment that's sadly absent in our daily rag and on local airwaves, especially 4CA of course. It deserves a much wider audience. Mind you, even when they're told categorically that there's no economic benefit to be gained from multi-million dollar dredging, only likely pollution to the reef, the troglodytes and ignoramuses continue on their blinkered path, blindly supporting the likes of Manning and Entsch.

Ken svay said...

Why this obsession with dredging?

Anonymous said...

There is one more comment from my 8/3/16 @19:47 I would like to make and people who cheer on dredging for the navy might like to absorb. The navies of the world don't like the idea of their fighting ships being trapped behind an artificial channel between two moving mud banks which could be blocked at any time by satellite controlled sea mines or a vessel purposely sank to block the access of said vessels.
That is why around the world menowar ships above a certain size have access to the open sea in well defined harbours, not muddy inlets. Patrol boats and other small ships are fine but larger ships need open large harbours with unrestricted open ocean access in all possible anticipated scenes. Think Sydney, Darwin, Stirling in WA and one can see the area of water available for large ships to navigate in and around. Widening the inlet and channel. Pooee.Fine for meduium cruise ships but they are just flat bottom barges with a hotel on top. Build an all weather walk/light rail board walk out from the pool towards Green Island if you want large cruise ships, they could tie up and light rail into the city.the end.

Anonymous said...

Am I missing something here. Didn't the PM refer the leaking of the above mentioned document to the Federal Police blaming him with the big ears in doing so. Is Warren going to be referred to the federal police and Mackenzie for discussing a classified document with his 300 daily listeners. Or is this a different document, a draft of a draft, reviewed and retyped by a contractor in west Bengal and leaked to warren as the real thing but in fact is a script for Cactus island.
Oh I forgot, Federal politics is Cactus Island, sorry, blurring the real world with Warrens.the end

CBD Warrior said...

Once again the Cairns Post prints any old shit that they're told, and the real analysis comes from the Hillbilly Watcher.

I knew I smelled a rat.

Alison ALLOWAY said...

Thanks Anon 19.47 for sharing your expertise. I have read on an ABC Report that the terms of the lease agreement for the Port of Darwin provided the Chinese leasees with the right to determine which ships entered port. So if they decide to block Australian and USA naval ships, then as you have pointed out, Townsville will be the new port base for USA/Australian naval use.
Oh, apparently there was a $20 million fee paid by the Chinese to "consultants" involved with the lease agreement of the Port of Darwin. The ABC Report did not mention who those "consultants" were but I still wonder at the sudden announcement by a Northern Territory LNP Minister of his retirement.

Hamish Krint said...

You should see the size of the cruise ship docked at Cairns Port today! Who needs dredging?

Anonymous said...

Anyone who has listened to local talkback for a while knows that the shock jock will pick up some issue that will fire up his regular listeners and will run with it for months on end. It is usually linked in with the requirements of whatever politician, sponsor or other interested party he is supporting at the time. Hence the vicious campaigns agains a new hospital (to oust the state ALP), against the CEP (to oust Val Schier), against the demolition of the CYC (to support the campaign of Wendy Richardson; the shock jock has never been seen in the old club and could not give a shit about it), against one-laning of McLeod St. (to support one of his sponsors), against parking changes in Grafton Street (to support another sponsor) and now the dredging...

The Cairns Post seems to back whatever the reactionary editor of the day decides is worth backing or fighting against.

Anonymous said...

The Cairns Post is introducing a paywall for its on-line edition. That should be the final nail in their coffin. I must admit, I will miss their artists impressions; underwater motorways to East Trinity, the glittering Aquis, Manning's billion dollar light rail

Anonymous said...

Half the links of the online CP already take you to the Courier Mail paywall. I copied a post very inappropriate
comment in the "online comments" section, which took over a day to be removed .

It read and I quote word for word : Shane: "Jane you need a man or bigger dildo you stupid white bitch"

I have a screenshot, if you don't believe me. So this is now descending into the crap you find in FB forums. Who monitors the comments ? Some underpaid person in a third world country ? How did this comment slip through ?

Bob R. said...

Buggar the old Cairns Post hey. I get more local news here with old Hilbilly then I do reading their crap newspaper. Yeah the wife goes cranky because she reckons she don't have enough newspaper to wrap the food scraps and dogs turds up in and the glossy advertising shit is too hard to wrap stuff up in but that is the only loss from not buying the compost.

Anonymous said...

The interesting thing is that Mackenzie didn't go on and on about dredging when Newman and Gavin King were in power. The Newman government commissioned a report then sat on it, and sat on it and sat on it. Why? Because it said that dredging would cost a fortune, wasn't economically viable and they didn't want to have to "sell" this conclusion to the "dredge-at-any-cost" proponents who think a few extra cruise ships might rescue the Cairns economy. It's all about finding a populist issue to bash Labor and bash Jim Brooks; don't worry about facts or evidence.
Pathetic really but they seem to get away with it because the Compost and Mackenzie allow callers and letter writers to endlessly spruik their tired, ignorant, out of date views.

Anonymous said...

Ha ha The Compost and paywall. Someone please tell them that they are NOT a newspaper. All their newspaper is good for is keeping Cairns wineo's warm at night on the park bench, good for using as dog turd collectors, or used to start a BBQ fire. The Compost is pure effluent

shanghai said...

hey Geoff right on don't worry about oil no can sell it where flooded with it if you want depressing reading look at the Baltic dry index baby boomers have swapped container ships for cruise liners for fuck sake everyone de leverage

Ernie said...

Why do you bother Shanga, what ever you say does not make sense, give it away.

Anonymous said...

Did you all realise that quite a few governments looked at the issue of "dredging the inlet" and not one of them has approved it. Starting with Beattie through to Borbidge (LNP) then Bligh and then Newman. Two ALP State Governments and Two LNP State Governments did not see it as viable. But still the dickheads persist in wet dreams.

Anonymous said...

Hey Ernie I like Shanhai's comments. The Baltic dry index is the worlds economy gauge, when it hits level 'shit' we are all in the shit, and currently it has bottomed out and hit level 'shit'. We are up shit creek brother. Don't worry about Manning and Wazza's wet dreams, in 12 months time we will be so far up shit creek financially as a nation that the Government won't have enough money to pay for a single street light! It's all bullshit and smoke and mirrors - dredging, light rail, Acquis blah blah blah they've got their hands on it..muppets

Anonymous said...

Yes,- re; The Compost. What a piss poor excuse for a newspaper. For 26 years I had it delivered 6 days a week. It got worse & worse & worse.
I measured the amount of advertising in the first 38 - 40 pages of the Saturday edition and came up with an average of over 50%. One Sat. late last year was a staggering 60.5% !
So these fuckwits expect people to pay for online viewing ?? I won't even let the arseholes set a cookie just so I can glance at a news article online.

And surely it's an insult to the dog shit to be wrapped up in pages of the Compost !

Anonymous said...

Well we could listen to cueball or we could listen to Luitenant Commander Peter Mellick from the Navy who last week said this verbatim
" The commissioning of HMAS Adelaide now completes the amphibious upgrade for the Navy so all 3 ships will now be working out of Townsville for life - approximately 30 years"
" Townsville will be the main base for them other than their home port of Sydney "
" It would be fair to say that Townsville is now very much a naval port and we are already supporting the city"
" we are also in discussion with Townsville port that when they expand, defence will be contributing to the overall costs for the construction of more berths specifically built for naval vessels such as the Adelaide"

Can't get any clearer explanation than that.

Anonymous said...

Another sterling performance by Jim Brooks on 4CA today. The way he shot down the obnoxious "Bill from Mt. Sheridan" in flames was absolutely delightful to listen to. Bill first suggested to shoot all bats in the CBD. When Jim Brooks asked him if he had put a similar proposal to Bob Manning, he was lost for words. He then tried to embark on one of his hate mongering rants about refugees, but was no match for Jim's calm and reasoned response.The voice of reason versus the trump-tea party like voice of madness. It would be good if HBW could post a recording of today's exchanges.All the other aggressive and hysterical rants about the dredging were dealt with in a similar vein.

shanghai said...

thank you everyone for comments but seriously look at us we are all in debt its not sustainable ive been negative for 18 months and guess what the debts are still piling up look at the pork barreling in local elections now who the fuck is going to pay ? our kids ? sorry ernie ill do what goverments,bankers,real estate agents,car salesman wont say its all debt driven ask the retailers, and guess what we are the most vulnerable and believe me the shit will hit the fan cheers

Anonymous said...



If the Federal government want dredging why don't they pay for it? Entech never comes up with the $$$